1 00:00:02,710 --> 00:00:01,590 about that all right we're going to see 2 00:00:04,630 --> 00:00:02,720 how they're putting this technology to 3 00:00:06,309 --> 00:00:04,640 work thank you fred 4 00:00:07,829 --> 00:00:06,319 i'm here now with ken fernandez from the 5 00:00:10,310 --> 00:00:07,839 science and mission systems office and 6 00:00:12,150 --> 00:00:10,320 ken you've got a surface mobility 7 00:00:13,270 --> 00:00:12,160 operation here that 8 00:00:14,470 --> 00:00:13,280 looks like you're just playing with toy 9 00:00:16,310 --> 00:00:14,480 cars right 10 00:00:19,429 --> 00:00:16,320 what we're doing is we're working on 11 00:00:21,429 --> 00:00:19,439 technologies that will be needed to 12 00:00:22,950 --> 00:00:21,439 field the next generation of surface 13 00:00:25,189 --> 00:00:22,960 mobility systems 14 00:00:26,310 --> 00:00:25,199 these systems go beyond what we did in 15 00:00:28,790 --> 00:00:26,320 apollo 16 00:00:31,189 --> 00:00:28,800 which was a system the lunar rover was a 17 00:00:33,670 --> 00:00:31,199 system that just ferry net astronauts 18 00:00:35,750 --> 00:00:33,680 around the systems in the future will 19 00:00:37,750 --> 00:00:35,760 have to work with a higher degree of 20 00:00:39,350 --> 00:00:37,760 autonomy 21 00:00:44,310 --> 00:00:39,360 to do that 22 00:00:46,950 --> 00:00:44,320 because we have gps we have 23 00:00:48,869 --> 00:00:46,960 communication satellites but on on a 24 00:00:51,029 --> 00:00:48,879 place like the moon 25 00:00:53,270 --> 00:00:51,039 none of that is uh present 26 00:00:55,270 --> 00:00:53,280 so we're working on one technology here 27 00:00:57,670 --> 00:00:55,280 that we're actually going to demonstrate 28 00:01:00,229 --> 00:00:57,680 in the september october time frame near 29 00:01:02,549 --> 00:01:00,239 building 4614 30 00:01:04,710 --> 00:01:02,559 this is a system that provides both 31 00:01:08,230 --> 00:01:04,720 navigational information 32 00:01:09,030 --> 00:01:08,240 and communications for a rover okay 33 00:01:10,469 --> 00:01:09,040 and 34 00:01:13,350 --> 00:01:10,479 for any system it could work with a 35 00:01:14,070 --> 00:01:13,360 lander also but we deploy these around 36 00:01:17,109 --> 00:01:14,080 and 37 00:01:18,230 --> 00:01:17,119 the system works just like gps 38 00:01:20,469 --> 00:01:18,240 and 39 00:01:22,310 --> 00:01:20,479 it's far less costly than trying to 40 00:01:24,469 --> 00:01:22,320 implement that on the moon so you deploy 41 00:01:26,789 --> 00:01:24,479 those around and then you send these 42 00:01:29,030 --> 00:01:26,799 yeah this is a this is a system that 43 00:01:33,109 --> 00:01:29,040 we're adapting for nasa use it's 44 00:01:37,190 --> 00:01:33,119 originally a military robot that uh they 45 00:01:38,710 --> 00:01:37,200 use to examine ieds in in the in the war 46 00:01:41,270 --> 00:01:38,720 uh areas 47 00:01:44,149 --> 00:01:41,280 and uh we're going to develop computer 48 00:01:45,190 --> 00:01:44,159 control for this so that we can 49 00:01:47,109 --> 00:01:45,200 operate it 50 00:01:49,030 --> 00:01:47,119 autonomously and we're going to mount 51 00:01:50,870 --> 00:01:49,040 one of the navigation sensors that is 52 00:01:52,789 --> 00:01:50,880 associated with this and do the 53 00:01:55,030 --> 00:01:52,799 autonomous navigation 54 00:01:57,749 --> 00:01:55,040 other technologies that we're working on 55 00:01:59,510 --> 00:01:57,759 are you know various uh 56 00:02:01,190 --> 00:01:59,520 trailering uh 57 00:02:04,550 --> 00:02:01,200 operations one of the things you might 58 00:02:07,510 --> 00:02:04,560 want to do with a rover is to go out and 59 00:02:09,430 --> 00:02:07,520 find a payload a nuclear reactor hook up 60 00:02:11,990 --> 00:02:09,440 to it and move it to a safe location 61 00:02:14,150 --> 00:02:12,000 without expo exposing the crew 62 00:02:15,430 --> 00:02:14,160 so this is the mechanisms are an 63 00:02:16,710 --> 00:02:15,440 important part 64 00:02:19,589 --> 00:02:16,720 we're also 65 00:02:21,270 --> 00:02:19,599 working on various sensors this is a 66 00:02:23,910 --> 00:02:21,280 sick lidar 67 00:02:25,270 --> 00:02:23,920 we're also looking at flash lidars we're 68 00:02:29,750 --> 00:02:25,280 looking at 69 00:02:34,869 --> 00:02:32,470 algorithms for providing guidance and 70 00:02:37,509 --> 00:02:34,879 then the big daddy the big daddy is an 71 00:02:39,910 --> 00:02:37,519 irobot our gator and 72 00:02:42,790 --> 00:02:39,920 we're using a system that was developed 73 00:02:45,509 --> 00:02:42,800 for the military and because systems 74 00:02:49,190 --> 00:02:45,519 like this are available it saves us a 75 00:02:51,430 --> 00:02:49,200 lot of money in developing a test bed 76 00:02:54,150 --> 00:02:51,440 capability so this is a larger platform 77 00:02:57,350 --> 00:02:54,160 that allows us to put more sensors on 78 00:02:58,630 --> 00:02:57,360 and a lot a lot more capabilities 79 00:03:02,790 --> 00:02:58,640 the little 80 00:03:04,869 --> 00:03:02,800 but it's very limited but it provides us 81 00:03:05,910 --> 00:03:04,879 an initial first cut so this is really 82 00:03:07,830 --> 00:03:05,920 going to get us to the moon and see 83 00:03:09,430 --> 00:03:07,840 what's there before we get there well 84 00:03:12,070 --> 00:03:09,440 hopefully and it'll help us do a lot of 85 00:03:13,509 --> 00:03:12,080 things that we couldn't do otherwise all 86 00:03:14,949 --> 00:03:13,519 right thanks ken so much for showing us 87 00:03:15,910 --> 00:03:14,959 your technology thanks laurie for coming 88 00:03:17,509 --> 00:03:15,920 by 89 00:03:19,190 --> 00:03:17,519 we're here with jim richard who is the 90 00:03:20,869 --> 00:03:19,200 team lead of the valve actuators and 91 00:03:22,070 --> 00:03:20,879 ducks branch and jim before we get to 92 00:03:23,830 --> 00:03:22,080 some of the new technology you've been 93 00:03:25,270 --> 00:03:23,840 developing what is this large hunk of 94 00:03:27,670 --> 00:03:25,280 hardware you've got here 95 00:03:30,949 --> 00:03:27,680 this is the pre-valve locks pre-valve 96 00:03:32,390 --> 00:03:30,959 for the saturn s4b rocket we've borrowed 97 00:03:34,390 --> 00:03:32,400 this from the space and rocket center 98 00:03:36,309 --> 00:03:34,400 and are using it to evaluate new 99 00:03:38,070 --> 00:03:36,319 technologies against for this area's 100 00:03:40,149 --> 00:03:38,080 vehicle so you pulled this right out of 101 00:03:41,990 --> 00:03:40,159 the saturn rocket that is correct how 102 00:03:43,430 --> 00:03:42,000 much does that weigh this valve weighs 103 00:03:44,949 --> 00:03:43,440 about 40 pounds that's currently 104 00:03:46,869 --> 00:03:44,959 configured well we'll let you set that 105 00:03:48,149 --> 00:03:46,879 down then because it's pretty heavy and 106 00:03:49,509 --> 00:03:48,159 you can uh show us some of the new 107 00:03:52,149 --> 00:03:49,519 technology you're working on here sure 108 00:03:53,990 --> 00:03:52,159 um the upper part of this valve is a 109 00:03:56,229 --> 00:03:54,000 pneumatic actuator with a large spring 110 00:03:57,990 --> 00:03:56,239 return system in it and this part of the 111 00:03:59,270 --> 00:03:58,000 valve contributes about half the weight 112 00:04:01,589 --> 00:03:59,280 of the valve 113 00:04:02,390 --> 00:04:01,599 the new technologies we're working on 114 00:04:04,710 --> 00:04:02,400 are 115 00:04:07,030 --> 00:04:04,720 paysio systems such as these 116 00:04:07,990 --> 00:04:07,040 this payzeo system weighs about four 117 00:04:09,830 --> 00:04:08,000 pounds 118 00:04:11,830 --> 00:04:09,840 and we can substantially reduce the 119 00:04:13,910 --> 00:04:11,840 weight of this valve and increase its 120 00:04:16,550 --> 00:04:13,920 reliability in the process that would 121 00:04:17,749 --> 00:04:16,560 definitely be a good thing so show us a 122 00:04:20,629 --> 00:04:17,759 little bit about what you're working on 123 00:04:21,670 --> 00:04:20,639 now with the the valve section of this 124 00:04:24,469 --> 00:04:21,680 okay 125 00:04:26,710 --> 00:04:24,479 this valve has a 126 00:04:29,189 --> 00:04:26,720 large disc that's in the flow path 127 00:04:30,230 --> 00:04:29,199 and that causes flow perturbations to 128 00:04:32,150 --> 00:04:30,240 the engine 129 00:04:33,670 --> 00:04:32,160 we're evaluating that using new cfd 130 00:04:35,830 --> 00:04:33,680 analysis tools 131 00:04:37,830 --> 00:04:35,840 to evaluate how to better design that 132 00:04:39,990 --> 00:04:37,840 disc for the new vehicle 133 00:04:41,430 --> 00:04:40,000 and get better engine performance great 134 00:04:43,350 --> 00:04:41,440 thanks very much jim 135 00:04:45,270 --> 00:04:43,360 we're here now with michelle monk she is 136 00:04:46,790 --> 00:04:45,280 the aero capture lead engineer here at 137 00:04:48,150 --> 00:04:46,800 marshall and michelle i find it 138 00:04:49,590 --> 00:04:48,160 interesting that at a center that 139 00:04:51,350 --> 00:04:49,600 concentrates so hard on propulsion 140 00:04:53,270 --> 00:04:51,360 you're actually working on stopping 141 00:04:55,350 --> 00:04:53,280 spacecraft not making them go that's 142 00:04:57,670 --> 00:04:55,360 right we're actually propellantless 143 00:04:59,830 --> 00:04:57,680 propulsion when a spacecraft is 144 00:05:01,990 --> 00:04:59,840 approaching a planet needs to slow down 145 00:05:04,390 --> 00:05:02,000 to get into a science orbit and so you 146 00:05:07,029 --> 00:05:04,400 can either do that with very expensive 147 00:05:08,710 --> 00:05:07,039 heavy fuel or you can use the atmosphere 148 00:05:10,550 --> 00:05:08,720 to slow you down and so that's what we 149 00:05:13,029 --> 00:05:10,560 do we take one pass through the 150 00:05:14,710 --> 00:05:13,039 atmosphere and we use the drag to slow 151 00:05:16,629 --> 00:05:14,720 our vehicle down and put it directly 152 00:05:18,629 --> 00:05:16,639 into its science orbit and that's where 153 00:05:20,629 --> 00:05:18,639 this very large heat shield comes into 154 00:05:23,749 --> 00:05:20,639 play tell us a little bit about this 155 00:05:25,909 --> 00:05:23,759 this is a two meter diameter 156 00:05:28,550 --> 00:05:25,919 carbon composite heat shield made by 157 00:05:30,950 --> 00:05:28,560 lockheed martin and it's a manufacturing 158 00:05:33,350 --> 00:05:30,960 demonstration of making a heat shield of 159 00:05:35,189 --> 00:05:33,360 this size in one piece and this isn't 160 00:05:37,270 --> 00:05:35,199 made of metal so this this makes it much 161 00:05:39,430 --> 00:05:37,280 lighter right right this is a carbon 162 00:05:41,510 --> 00:05:39,440 composite and this system is about 40 163 00:05:43,510 --> 00:05:41,520 percent lighter than the genesis sample 164 00:05:45,270 --> 00:05:43,520 return capsule system also it means you 165 00:05:46,550 --> 00:05:45,280 can put more science inside that's right 166 00:05:48,790 --> 00:05:46,560 well let's take a look at one of the 167 00:05:51,270 --> 00:05:48,800 prototypes you have over here 168 00:05:53,749 --> 00:05:51,280 can you tell us a little bit about this 169 00:05:56,629 --> 00:05:53,759 we've been doing about four years of 170 00:05:58,790 --> 00:05:56,639 technology development on the ground 171 00:06:01,749 --> 00:05:58,800 led by marshall and we've done lots of 172 00:06:04,790 --> 00:06:01,759 material testing and guidance algorithm 173 00:06:07,270 --> 00:06:04,800 development and simulation and now we're 174 00:06:09,830 --> 00:06:07,280 proposing to do a validation of the 175 00:06:12,950 --> 00:06:09,840 aerocapture maneuver at earth and this 176 00:06:15,749 --> 00:06:12,960 is a full-scale prototype vehicle that 177 00:06:18,469 --> 00:06:15,759 we would use to do that and if selected 178 00:06:20,469 --> 00:06:18,479 marshall will supply the flight heat 179 00:06:24,070 --> 00:06:20,479 shield and the back shell 180 00:06:25,830 --> 00:06:24,080 for that space vehicle and jpl will 181 00:06:28,309 --> 00:06:25,840 supply the spacecraft for that and will 182 00:06:29,590 --> 00:06:28,319 fly in 2010. 2010 not too far away 183 00:06:31,110 --> 00:06:29,600 that's right well michelle thanks very 184 00:06:32,309 --> 00:06:31,120 much for showing us your technology here 185 00:06:34,629 --> 00:06:32,319 today and we look forward to seeing it 186 00:06:36,070 --> 00:06:34,639 fly thanks 187 00:06:36,790 --> 00:06:36,080 hey bill look at all this cool stuff i 188 00:06:38,550 --> 00:06:36,800 got 189 00:06:40,790 --> 00:06:38,560 well i guess it has been a neat day here 190 00:06:42,309 --> 00:06:40,800 at the research and technology expo yeah 191 00:06:44,469 --> 00:06:42,319 it has but it's also been interesting to 192 00:06:45,749 --> 00:06:44,479 find out how someone has an idea and 193 00:06:47,350 --> 00:06:45,759 then turns that into hardware and 194 00:06:48,950 --> 00:06:47,360 technology that may take us back to the 195 00:06:50,230 --> 00:06:48,960 moon and even to mars someday that's 196 00:06:52,390 --> 00:06:50,240 right and all of it designed or 197 00:06:54,230 --> 00:06:52,400 developed right here at marshall well